Episode 32 · October 28, 2025 · 16 min 1 sec

How to Disable Rumination

How do I stop second-guessing a big decision and move faster?

Stuck second-guessing a big decision? Bailey Guilloud explains that rumination is a thought loop fixed on a problem's emotional edge, and that it produces zero action. Her three-step fix: notice the loop, discharge the emotional charge with meditation or nervous-system regulation, then problem-solve through almost thoughtless action. She says skipping her own rumination phases would have put her company millions further ahead.

Hosted by Bailey Guilloud · The Fourth State Podcast

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Questions about this episode

How do I stop second-guessing a big decision and move faster?

Bailey Guilloud treats chronic second-guessing as rumination and disables it in three steps: become aware you are in the loop, take care of its emotional charge (meditation, nervous-system regulation, breathwork, hypnosis, tapping), then start problem-solving through almost thoughtless action.

What is rumination, and how is it different from deep thought?

Bailey describes rumination as a thought loop around a problem with a strong emotional edge (“I'm not sure what to do here”) that ends in taking zero action. Deep thought, by contrast, results in progressive change and continuous evolution.

Why doesn't more analysis help when I'm stuck in a loop?

Bailey says psychology shows ruminators don't respond well to CBT-style cause-and-effect insight. They believe they already understand their problem deeply, and that belief is part of the problem.

What does “thoughtless action” look like in a business?

Small moves you can make immediately: find a friend to co-work with, write a tweet, take the next action in your content plan, talk to people in person, or ask trusted advisors and clients for feedback instead of perfecting the plan.

What does rumination cost a founder?

Bailey says rumination saps confidence and competency and keeps you in the same position. Of her own business she says that if she could have skipped the rumination phase and gone straight from deep thinking to action, she “would have been millions further” in her company.

How often should I plan versus act?

Bailey's ideal is continuous thoughtless action with no more than a once-a-week thought about what you are going to do. She mentions people who plan their entire year and then try to stay in action for the whole year.

What topics does this episode explore?

Nervous-system regulation and presence, Identity, beliefs, and confidence

About this episode

A 16-minute solo episode for anyone looping on a decision: take the job or not, go all in on the business or look elsewhere, change the brand positioning or keep it. Bailey frames the first step as recognizing that the rumination, not the decision, may be the real problem.

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Transcript of The Fourth State Podcast episode “How to Disable Rumination” with host Bailey Guilloud, lightly edited for readability. Learn more about Bailey’s work at fourthstate.net.

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There is nothing worse than feeling like you cannot make a confident decision in something. You are ruminating on something. You see how it could work out in one scenario or it could work out in another scenario. Like, let me give you an example, whether you should take the job or not, whether you should break up with a boyfriend or if you should work on your relationship, whether you should go all in on your business or whether you should go look for something else, whether you should change your brand positioning to this or whether you should change it to that.

This rumination of wondering what the next step in your evolution is quite frankly dangerous, we're going to talk about it today. We're going to download some understandings of it and help you disable rumination in your life and your company in your relationships because I have been in rumination. And it results in deep depression. This is not just from my personal experience. This is proven in psychology, that rumination is one of the most dangerous things because it results in depression, increasing depression, increasing addiction, substance uses, increasing binge eating, problematic behavior.

And this is happening, whether you are a deep ruminator yourself or whether you have suggested or been induced rumination and caught that on. It literally numbs you out from what's happening in the world. There's a study on this that literally shows newborn mothers, once they start inducing rumination, they become more, they they don't notice their newborn screaming as much. You literally numb out the world in this rumination experience. And I, once I started looking into this and thinking about this, I'm like, we need to let the girlies in on this and help you guys be deep thinkers instead of ruminators because I myself have been a ruminator in the past and it is so deeply exhausting.

It completely saps your confidence. It completely saps your competency. And what rumination is. I want you to identify rumination as this is when there is a problem presented. And there's also a deeply emotional edge to that problem. So I'm sure you have plenty that you can think of based off the examples that I gave you in that context itself. And when you think about all of your problems that exist, whether it is to increase your health, increase the amount of money you're making, increase the amount of love in your life, to increase the amount of energy that you have in your soul.

There are always emotional edges to this, but rumination is focused on this emotional edge so much that you end up in a thought loop. You end up thinking about, oh, I'm not sure what to do here. I'm not sure what to do there. I'm not sure what to do there. And it results in taking 0 action and nothing changing. Whereas deep thought results in progressive change. Results in that continuous evolution. And rumination is so dangerous, you guys, because think about what happens when you're not evolving. Not only like what happens when you're depressed and you're using substances and you're going into that more numbed out experience, what happens when you're not evolving?

When you are in the same thought loop, over and over again, and you are not able to be confident, clear and energetic enough to move forward. You stay the same. What is someone who is in the same position over and over and ago, over again. They're not living. They're simply not alive in their body. And how dangerous can that be? I mean, I'm sure you guys have experienced some forms of depression, of anxiety, of this fear-based thinking. And it's so important when you do experience these things to call it out for what it is and just to be aware that rumination itself is so exhausting and can be the problem and the solution at the same time.

What I mean by that is we, we think that we have this problem of, oh, I need to figure out how to increase my money. Whereas sometimes the problem is actually that you have been ruminating on that problem for so long and you haven't actually taken action. And instead of thinking about, okay, how am I going to make money, you actually just need to go out there and take the first step. And it, when you boil it down to that, it literally seems so simple, but I know that you guys have been in these loops before and it is not as simple as, oh, I just need like, okay, I just need to convince myself that it's the first step.

The first step is really recognizing that you have been ruminating. And what has been happening in that experience. Psychology shows us that ruminators, they don't really respond to CBT. They don't really respond to recognizing that, okay, when you have this thought, it results in this action and this effect. So like an example of that would be, okay, when you think of yourself as a loser. It results in you not showing up to the gym, and therefore you still don't have a girlfriend. And so it's like that's typically in very, very, very simple terms, what happens in therapy.

You understand what's happening on an emotional and thought range level. Ruminators, psychology shows us that that is not helpful to ruminators. It is not helpful to know all the cause and effect because ruminators, they, if you ask someone this, they will think that they have such a deep understanding of their problem and that's actually what the problem itself is. And so how do we disable rumination? We disable rumination in 3 ways. Okay? Number one is to be aware that it's happening? Because a lot of us are not even aware that we're in the same thought loop of, what do I do next?

What do I do next? Continuously being confused about what's next around, what to do around. Why am I like this, around why is life the way that it is? Be aware that it's happening. And number 2 is to take care of the emotional charge of that rumination itself. And this looks like meditating. This looks like nervous system regulation. This looks like taking care of your health, your soul, and continuously expanding and what your heart is open to. So there's so many different practices for that that I teach in meditation club and, there's so many different breath works and hypnosis and tapping that are available to help you discharge this emotional regulation because when you have this belief of, I'm not enough, I'm not enough, and I, I'm not enough.

It, you become blind to what is outside of it. And there are so many deep regulation tools that can help you become more neutral or more progressive in what you think of this particular experience of not feeling enough of not having, of having this self-criticism itself. So number one, be aware, number two, take care of the emotional charge, and number three, start problem solving. And what I mean by this is since you're having a propensity to rumination of having that same thought loop, problem solving for you would look like almost thoughtless action, almost thoughtless action.

So looking at what in your life that you can change immediately, say, for example, you're wanting to increase your money. One thing that you could do is start finding a friend who you can co-work with or to start being more visible on the internet. And so that would look like maybe writing a tweet, maybe taking the next action in your content plan. That would look like maybe just starting to talk to people in person around what they feel like they would want to see in your empire. That would look like connecting with, trusted advisors, clients and getting feedback rather than just overthinking what the next phase is in your company or in your career, start making those small actions instead of needing to have a perfectly laid out planned.

And I have done this so many times with my business, with content planning. If I could just skip the rumination phase and go straight into, I'm deeply thinking, and then I am taking action, I would have been millions further. I'm not kidding. millions further in my company. If I just had more thoughtless action. And for some reason, I do have that rumination come up every now and then because maybe it grounds me, maybe it brings me back to humility, maybe it's bringing me to see a different part of my life differently.

But if you want to be really good in business and you want to be really successful and live a life of your dreams, the more action that you can take more thoughtless action, of getting in the room, of putting yourself out there, of being seen, of not overthinking the self-criticism, the more you're going to see insane growth. And so, once we start eliminating rumination, eliminating that, you need to be in this same thought loop, the problem disappears. All of a sudden, the problem disappears. All of a sudden, you are out there and your name is out there and you're being seen and you're being authentic and what you're creating, and people buy from you, and your sales take off, and your career takes off, because you are simply out there and in the mix of what's available to you.

So once you stop ruminating and take care of disabling this rumination, the problem goes away. Not only that, the emotion goes away. The emotion goes away because you are stopped, you're stopping fixating on it. You're seeing what's next in your evolution. So I want to share one meditative thought that you can use as a practice for this. And it is simply meditating on the experience itself. So I want you to think of what your ruminating thought is. And I want you to go down the rabbit hole with it. So if that thought is, okay, I'm not enough.

What's after that? What's after that brain? Show me what's next. What is after that? And that will help you continuously move past that rumination phase? So, Stop ruminating, start taking action, start being aware when you are in deep thought versus when you are in rumination. I always like to say this. I always like to bring this into a lot of my conversations is that there are 3 types of learning. Number one is consumption. And this is like level one thinking, level one, learning is when you are continuously thinking, you are continuously consuming, continuously, collecting, continuously ruminating.

That is level one thinking. Level 2 is integrating it. That is going out in the mix, going out in a group of people and talking about it. And for rumination, that would be like, you know, taking the first action, taking a shower if that's the first momentum action and getting yourself in the position to be in more action filled experiences. Level 3 is teaching is mastery of that. So, level 3 of learning would be teaching what you have experienced, level 3 of rumination would be continuous thoughtless action, not needing to have more than once a weak thought of what you're going to do.

I heard of people who even plan out their entire year and then they just try to be in thoughtless action, the whole year. I mean, that would be crazy and epic, and how amazing would it be if you just continuously put yourself out there and continuously show up in what your next action is. The universe, the God, God will show you what's next for you if you're just continuously showing up. And I think that's the whole point of recognizing what rumination is doing for you is that your path will be revealed to you. You don't need to continuously think, you can sometimes just surrender to what's right in front of you and what action is right in front of you.

And what you have teed yourself up to do, what you have planned yourself up to do. You don't need to exhaust yourself and lose energy of what's next. Just show up to what's right in front of you. Show up to what is in this present experience now. I hope you guys enjoyed that. If you enjoyed this episode, please, write a review, and we are hosting Genesis the quantum breakthrough right now, which is a mastermind of mine. And this is helping you move past resistance, rumination, and move into deep confidence, deep competency to build your empire.

We're doing shadow work, we're doing nervous system regulation, we're doing identity work, and you will walk out of this, able to be aligned with the version of you who you desire, the life that you desire. This is going to be meeting twice a week for the month of November and December, and if you're looking for a coach will, who will be a mirror for you and actually help you grow in what you're doing. You don't need to continuously think about what's next. You just need to have a mirror to what's resisting you, what's causing resistance for you and actually move forward in that.

It's going to be full of women who are just ready for more. And if that's your vibe, if you're ready to build in Q4 in November and December, come into my DMs on Instagram and reply Genesis, and I'll share all the details. I can't wait to hear from you. I hope you enjoyed this episode. And I would love to hear if you had any result from hearing this episode and where maybe it helped you stop ruminating in your own life. Sending lots of love. Talk to you guys soon.